On 02-Jul-04 My Homeland Security Spies re****ted that Lee Crites said:
> On Friday July 2 2004 04:12, Paul Robinson wrote:
>> Translation: we're going to work you like a dog and not apologise for
it or
>> even thank you for dealing with the chaotic sh**hole that is our
company.
>> Also, note the lack of details relating to remuneration. So they're
going
>> to pay you close to nothing to boot. And it requires you to move to New
>> Jersey!
>> These guys really aren't selling this position, and personally I'm
offended
>> that they think the people on freebsd-jobs would be anything but
>> professional in their approach, and need to be reminded that they
shouldn't
>> "coast".
>>
>> Is there a perception out there that we're all looking to sit around
>> picking our noses whilst reading slashdot?
Well.. yea. When was the last time you tried to hire a sysadmin?
Especially to
work for a small company that perhaps isn't on the top of the pay scale.
Frankly the time of a company having to "sell" a position is still gone.
Its you grok unix? You want eat? Why we hire you? Ug.
> I honestly do not believe this is a general opinion of FreeBSD folks.
I think perhaps you are taking it too personally.
> There is a psychological axiom that goes something like this: People
tend to
> blame/accuse others of what they, themselves, are guilty of.
See above. Works both ways doesn't it =]
> I'm sure all of us have seen this in action on numerous occasions. The
person
> who constantly complains about how everyone else is a jerk is actually
the
> biggest jerk you know -- that kind of thing. Basically, whenever I see
> someone jump out and start scattering accusations like this particular
> posting did, I don't take it personally, because I see in it a
description of
> the poster, not, in this case, the people they are sending it do.
I see it as someone who is trying to fill a position and is perhaps using
the
"are you up for a challenge" approach. Are you good enough? That sort of
thing. Yes this may scare off a few people who will not read it that way
but
it sounds like he's a bit frustrated. The last time I had to hire someone
out
of 300 applications NONE ran a BSD or any other Nix box at home. As far as
they were concerned if it wasn't in their colleges lab, or at their last
employer it didn't exist. Many said or implied "If the company expects me
to
learn something then they will teach me or send me to school or at the
very least buy my books or training manuals." Ask them if they read up on
things and yes many will say, "well I read slash dot." (see above)
> And it appears that you (Paul) picked up on a lot of that, but just
didn't
> take it to it's completed conclusion. You picked up on the chaotic work
> environment and such, but didn't pick up on the mindset/personality
traits of
> your prospective employer.
Asside from big companies that have 2-3 employee's for every position,
most
companies I have seen or known have been chaotic in their own way. Today
especially it's a sad thing but most companies want someone who has no
life. Who
lives for their job and feels glad to have one. It used to be people could
say
no I won't do on-call. Or I'm an admin I don't wake up that early. Today
it
could mean eating or not.
> They are demanding someone the level of Greg Lehey who can come in and
clean
> up their dump, all the while possibly treating him like dirt. I mean,
look at
> one of the comments you didn't quote: "there will be no place to hide."
Again a scare tactic to weed out those looking for a comfy job.
Frankly I think that the biggest problem is many of our ages.
As we get older we expect experience to count for more, our work to be a
little less and our tolerance for idiots much decreased. Yes their are
those
companies who will bleed through good admins becouse they keep expecting
the
super admin who can do anything even before their idiotic deadlines and
just
loves to work work work and be happy with the little bit of money they
get.
Generally I call them eager JR Admins. A rare breed. But whom take that
experience and then leave the idiots behind. I suspect most of us have
been
there.
> I didn't even bother sending them a reply, even though it's the kind of
> position I'd love to have. (although I would NOT like to live in NJ)
Well, if it's the position you would love to have what are you afraid of?
Sadly your letting first impressions decide for you. If we let first
impressions guide us many of us might not be BSD admins or even have an
Significant Other. =]
>> We're FreeBSD admins. Not MCSEs or Linux admins.
>
> Cute...
No we are Admins. Most managers could not give a crap what we run as long
as
it works. BSD admins are a special breed however I will give you that.
Nicole
Not trying to piss in anyones wheaties, just add perspective.
> Lee
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